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  Free-will V.S predestiny

  by Sargon in

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  it's been a long-long time since i shared any deep thoughts on religion... so please bear with me.

  i was fishing this morning...since they weren't biting it gave me time to ponder;.

  one of the concepts that caused me to leave the x-tian faith is the conundrum that boggles my mind when i consider free-will.. i've made the argument in the past that adam didn't have any free-will in the garden of eden.

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  Well what the heck. Let me take a shot at this and pretend I know what I'm talking about.

  Time is lineal and it is part of our phyical universe. Time has physical properties. It is effect by such things as gravity and speed. Time had a beginning and I believe it will have an end. It probably came into existence along with the big bang. What was before this? Who knows. A primative understanding of God led people to believe God was inside time and part of the Universe, an old guy sitting on a throne out there somewhere. If you take it that God is out side of time then all human events might be see by him at the same time or in some way we have no possible way of understanding. All the things we do past present and future could be viewed by him at the same time. Kind of like we are on a merry go round and he is off to the side seeing all things done on it pass before him. Not a good analogy but the only one I can think of right now. In Gods eyes the death Caesar, Christ and your uncle Charlie might all be going on all at once. Seeing all things happen in this fashion it would be easy for him to know which course we will take or did take depending on how you look at it.
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  The Handmaid's Tale

  by patio34 in

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  i just watched the handmaid's tale, adapted from margaret atwood's novel.

  pretty spooky about bible-based fundamentalist government.

  or read it?

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  This friend was a dub at the time, as was I, but he was beginning to fade out. He didn't say anything to me except that this movie was very thought provoking, and might help me to challenge my assumptions.

  Sometime the best way to get a witness to think if for them to see something similar to the situation they are in but not directly related to the watchtower such as George Orwell's 1984 or the problems with Mormonism. They don't feel defensive that way.
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  The Handmaid's Tale

  by patio34 in

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  i just watched the handmaid's tale, adapted from margaret atwood's novel.

  pretty spooky about bible-based fundamentalist government.

  or read it?

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  I don't worry as much about the fundamentalist on the right as I do the politically correct on the the left. But I would like to see the movie. I'll see if I can rent it.
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  I'm home....

  by RichieRich in

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  well brothers and sisters,

  i just returned home safe from the convention.

  as much as i would like to give you the minute by minute breakdown, i won't because this is going to be a freaking long post anyhow.

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  Very good Richie. Have you ever thought of working for the CIA?

  I have to admit you have me worried about you getting caught doing stuff like this.
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  MY ADVENTURE AT THE ASSEMBLY......

  by Mary in

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  to start my day with: as i was walking down the street towards hell the assembly, i went to cross halfway across the road when a cheese and cracker brother told me that i should "cross at the light so that others can see that jehovah's people are law abiding citizens.

  stick my lapel badge up his ass sideways make a good impression so i waited until he was distracted by other jaywalkers and then dashed across the road complied with his suggestion.

  once in the building i managed to find a seat next to a guy who looked remarkably like fat bastard was a bit on the plump side.

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  When Netty commented on this it got me to thinking just how warped their understanding of goodness is. They really focus on looking good in such superficial ways. They worry about jay walking, haircuts, beards, smoking. All things that don't effect what kind of person you are. Often it's the squeeky clean looking dub who beats his wife or molests his daughter. The churches in my area that I have attended are invovled in feeding the homeless or sending help to the needy in other countries and unless you went there you wouldn't know it because they don't care if you do. Its not done for show.
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  Child in Time

  by Satanus in

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  what do these lyrics mean to you?.

  sweet child in time, you'll see the line.

  the line that's drawn between, the good and the bad.

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  I alway went for the deeper things Deep Purple wrote like:

  You came for a weekend but you only stay for one night

  You pulled off your hair you took out your teeth

  I almost died of fright.

  I think that is how it went.
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  MY ADVENTURE AT THE ASSEMBLY......

  by Mary in

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  to start my day with: as i was walking down the street towards hell the assembly, i went to cross halfway across the road when a cheese and cracker brother told me that i should "cross at the light so that others can see that jehovah's people are law abiding citizens.

  stick my lapel badge up his ass sideways make a good impression so i waited until he was distracted by other jaywalkers and then dashed across the road complied with his suggestion.

  once in the building i managed to find a seat next to a guy who looked remarkably like fat bastard was a bit on the plump side.

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  we "can't afford to be picky eaters----we have to eat everything."
  Even the Sh*t sandwiches they call spiritual food? I guess you can eat them if you wash them down with Tidy Bowl cocktail. But why bother? If the food suck go to a different restaurant.

  Thank you for your account of the assembly. You have a great sense of humor. It brough back memories. Not pleasant ones, but memories none the less. I think I remember fat bastard though he was some 20 years young when I encountered him.

  I don't know if you feel like answering this but I'm curious. If you hate it so much why do you stay? When I got to your point I ran for the door.
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  PINK FLOYD tonight what did you think

  by littlemike in

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  i thought they were awesome.

  been a fan for 30 years saw them do the wall twice in 1980 and 1981. shouldnt have done as a witness what did you think

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  i thought they were awesome. Been a fan for 30 years saw them do the wall twice in 1980 and 1981. Shouldnt have done as a Witness what did you think Was this part of the Aid for Africa concert? I will be checking ot see if it is on here. I am a big fan of Pink Floyd. The first Album I bought by them was Ummagumma when it first came out (dating myself) and have loved them ever since. My wife and me live to listen to it while crossing the desert at night while on vacation. I saw on the BBC news I get on my pda that the Sex Pistol are getting back together for the Aid concert (minus Sid of course). That should be interesting. Just saw a clip on the news here while writing this that it is being televised. Gotta look for it.
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  LOVE is the sign

  by LouBelle in

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  in my jc meeting i kept on at the elders about love.

  that there was no love being shown in the congregations & even toward me on how they were dealing with the whole situation & towards my mother.

  i mentioned that there were only 2 commandments given to us - 1. to love god & 2. to love our neighbour.

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  This brother again went on about how we are all unified 'cos we all study the same publications at the same time....What other religion does this.

  Years ago a friend loaned me a copy of Persers Proof, the trial in Scotand in 1954 where Fred Franz had to testify. It was a real eye-opener for me. He was asked about unity in the Watchtower. The prosecutor asked him something about if a witness could be df's for not going along with something they taught. (I don't remember what it was) He said they could. He was the ask if he felt the person should still have been df'd even thought the belief was later changed. He said it was the proper thing to do.(all paraphrased here) Then Freddy said you don't understand, we must have unity. The prosecutor then asked: unity at all cost? Freddy said yes unity at all cost.

  It is a religion of lemmings. What did Jesus say about the blind leading the blind? Yes they all read the same books and all believe the same wrong things. If they were allowed to do their own thinking then maybe have of them would be right instead of all being wrong.
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  "What does it mean to be spiritually clean?" -WTBTS

  by Frog in

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  has been ages since i've looked at the wtbts website, so i thought it was about time, since i knew i could do with a good laugh!

  i stumbled on this pure gold.... "have you ever wondered...what it means to be spiritually clean?

  "...and thought i'd post the link; http://www.watchtower.org/library/rq/index.htm?article=article_09.htm.

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  *** The Golden Age, Feb. 10, 1926, p.310 ***
  
  Air baths are good for preventing colds... What you do is strip naked mornings and evenings and then bob up and down for a while. Question from Reader: How do they feel about air guitar?

  Ok, I just tried the bath thing. Its rubish! I think my neighbor just called the cops. Did they say where I should do this?